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Horizontal - Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:18 pm
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Ironically, it turns out to be no system at all.

Hello, I am looking for someone who can code an MT EA. The last EA you will ever code.

- It will have thirteen (13) user inputs
- It will need zero (0) indicators
- It will run five (5) days a week
- It will ALWAYS lose money every single day
- It will ALWAYS have an accuracy rating of less than 4%
- It will ALWAYS fail, time and time again each 24hr session

One chart. One trigger. One result. Optimal profit potential.

The ultra simplicity will blow your mind. The principle behind the method is based on historical and empirical evidence that can be verified. The results will astound you.

Not for sale. Not for lease. Not for rent. Not for donations. Not for public dissemination.

First, there was the Rat. And, now, there is this. A Rat on steroids. Call it the new Hyper Rat Huayra - HRH for short.

I am looking for someone who can build me an HRH EA for MT4. The logic behind it is simple, uncomplicated and straight forward. The profit potential is, well, shall we say.... Hyper Ratty. Wink

Should you chose to accept this mission - you can please post here, or you can please drop me a line at: Horizontal@engineer.com. I go by the online name of Horizontal, and I cannot wait to get this EA out on the track! Smile

PebbleTrader - Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:21 am
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Nice car!

Relativity - Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:34 am
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Hmm.... should I? Lol.

Horizontal - Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:00 am
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Placing this request on a first-come first-serve basis. I'm a full time trader, so as a coder, you would want to be flexible with your time, as you code the last EA you will ever need, or want.

The external variable list has just gone from 13 to 16, as I have added three more necessary user inputs.

I said there would be no indicators involved, but to gain full control over the EA and to aid in the optimization process that I will have to engage at the outset, we will need to build a couple more indicators (not many) and use about three custom indicators that I already have in my own personal stock.

This is a limited and one time offer. If I can't hook-up with the right individual, I'll opt to either learn MQL on my own, or give Molanis a try. At that point, I probably won't have additional time to double my efforts by working with someone individually.

I'm downloading and trialing Molanis, now. If that works, I'll post picks of the equity curve here, to show you what you missed, LOL! Smile

If your MT4 EA skills rank higher than a 7, on a scale of 1-10 (10 being the Quant Guru King Kong of the MT4 Universe), then drop me a line at: Horizontal@engineer.com. I'll be glad to fill you in on the conceptual details before we go!

Again, the simplicity will blow your mind because price is gonna do what price is gonna do, whether we like it or not. Just so you know, TRO's Rat concept is not far from the ultimate truth about price. Way to go, TRO! You are definitely on the right track.

The only limiting factor with the Rat, is that he lives in a single dimension. Unfortunately, for the Rat, the Universe is comprised of many dimensions. Some of which dominate the Rat's singular dimension at times. The Rat, does not know when his dimension is in control - and rightfully so, because the Rat is supposed to be color blind. That's his nature. That's also his Achilles Heel.

In order for the Rat to become a Huayra Rat, he needs to become truly Non-Directional in every sense of the word. In other words, the Rat needs to be Set Free and allowed to roam the wild on his own.

A Free Ranging Rat. While it might not sound very appetizing, it sure is a delicious meal. Wink

Come with me and together we will set the Rat free!

Free the Rat!
Free the Rat!
Free the Rat!
Free the Rat!

Rat Freedom Forever!
Don't reign in my Rat!
Rat Released!
Rat Unleashed!
Rat Gone Wild! (you gotta love that one)
Rat Up In Arms!
Rat Unlimited!
Rat Unplugged!
Orbital Rat Mechanics!
Rat Off The Hook!
Planet of the Rat!
Year of the Rat!
Rat Speed!

Unleash the Rat in YOU!

Cheers,
Horizontal
A Rat Freeing Fanatic

Horizontal - Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:42 am
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I know I'm a Rat. But, I like to think outside the box!

Too often, when I try to break-out, I slam my head against the wall - ouch!

Cheese? Who needs that stuff, when I can eat like a Rat King!

Just FREE me damn it! Just FREE me!

This is no way for a proper Rat to live!

Let me OUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT!

Now, THAT's what I'm talking about! Free Ranging Rat gets all the presents!

It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas. Everywhere, I gooooooo!

I may not be a rocket scientist, but I'm no dummy either. Wink

I understand the definition of the word: FREEDOM!

Now, let's see. How do you spell: Non-Directional?

A proper Rat Meal!

Free Ranger Rat on the prowl. The way it was meant to be! I won't be denied my Pips!

forexjake80 - Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:49 am
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Cut that sneaky fear of lost crap already! Post the strategy - if there is any - in the forum publicly, or get lost.

bredin - Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:51 am
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does sound a little like signalbender... show up make noise try to get guys to code his magic system... super hidden indicators etc...

Still, lets wait for some actual content before we condemn.

G.

Captain Pugwash - Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:51 pm
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bredin wrote:

does sound a little like signalbender...

G.

signalbender! - that's exactly who I was trying to remember when I read the post

TygerKrane - Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:59 pm
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How about THIS as an EA:
It is based on probability.
Last week was a losing week (surprise, suprise) Rolling Eyes

If I used my account statement and executed the same go long/go short on the pairs, at the same precise time, what is the PROBABILITY that *this* week would be a profitable one???

(I leave that to you to figure out the answer Wink

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So have the EA do the OPPOSITE trade at those predetermined times.
What do you think? Success yeah?

****
Either that, or make an EA that takes the opposite trade of Forex Ironman. Smile

(they even have VIDEOS of customer testimonials on the page, so you KNOW it's a keeper! Laughing

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(this post is in no way a jab at Horizontal, --he/she/this thread-- just got me thinking about 'too-simple-to-be-true' EA's, that's all)

~Krane

Horizontal - Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:20 pm
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LOL, the Rat photos were humor. The fact that your collective conscious failed to register that, is telling, more than you know.

I was told (by a third party) that Kreslik was an "open minded" trading forum about Forex. Based on your collective responses thus far, that third party obviously lied - or did not know the true nature of the membership, here.

Know this - it "would have been" the last EA you would have ever needed to code. With the response you have given, I'm pulling the opportunity from this forum.

I'll post the equity curve after I'm done - as proof of what you pissed'off - without know it. I guess you can't teach an old Rat new tricks. Good luck with constantly living in a cage.

Note to self:

'Why is it that coders seem to think that what they do is the most important thing to trading success. Trading IDEAS that WORK are the most important thing to trading, not coding. Soon or later, anyone can learn to write code - its just a matter of time. But, why waste precious time, when you can collaborate with someone who already knows how to code and start making profits sooner.

Without the ideas that work, the code is less than worthless. The real value is in the ideas that work, not the code that automates the ideas that work. That same 'code' can be done manually. But, why sit behind a screen all day, when the automation can do the work for you. Many coders think of themselves as little gods - without realizing that their contribution is non-existent without a driving concept that works.

Heck, this might just motivate me to learn MQL myself. Then I become the Coder AND the source of IDEAs that WORK, as opposed to just a Coder with ideas that either don't work, or don't work nearly as well as they could.'

End Note to Self:

After thinking that note to self through to its logical conclusion, I think I'm ok with the response to this thread thus far, LOL.

Keep building those cages! Soon, I'll post a Range Free equity curve pic that will knock your socks off and make you wish you had responded with more humbleness and civility.

In fact, screw the Rat analogy. I'm going for something more apropos. More to the point. Let's simply call it like it is. It should be called: Non-Directional Trading. Oh, my! How "original" is that, LOL!

NDT Trader v1.0, will become the name of the EA, once I finish it. Or, I might come up with an even more apropos name, like: Velocity Trader v1.0. Or, maybe Raptor Trader v1.0. Aaaah, who the heck knows - just as long as it does NOT fail.

Or, just maybe: The Last EA v1.0. Pretty much says all you would ever need to know.

Ok, you may resume your lock down status as rodent prisoners on Planet of the Rats.

Have fun!

[and to think - i was actually going to GIVE such arrogant people the trade logic that finally sets them free! LOL, what the heck was i thinking!!!]

dchappy - Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:16 pm
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bredin - Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:20 pm
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Hmmm.
Wow.

A recap of the thread so far....

Guy shows up from nowhere and proclaims to have the best EA idea ever that will make everyone rich...

Guy wants us to make a serious time commitment based on the excited tones in this voice and without knowing anything about the project or, more importantly, the person

Having been stung before, and quite recently, people exercise caution... you see kreslik is open minded: provided we're given enough to be open minded about.... the excited proclamations of a first-time poster, without so much as a single markup of the trades this robot would supposedly take, doesnt exactly generated any interest.

Guy takes his bat and ball and goes home.

You see, I dont see anything in your posts that makes me want to get into business with YOU. Hell, look at your own posts and ask yourself, "Would I get in business with that guy?"

Anyway. Good luck.

G. (I dont need your robot, btw)

forexjake80 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:18 pm
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There is a thing i was wondering about signalbender already, but i am still not sure about that: What are guys like him or Signalbender (in case they really are 2 different persons) are trying to accomplish?

1.
Its an Internet Forum. No Girls are watching. Everyone is anonymous. So his motivation can not be to boost his ego by showing everyone "how great" he is, can it?

2.
I suspected Signalbender was trying to lure people into signing some contract, which would allow him to sue its victim for some money. Same here?

What i am not able to comprehend is the start of his post. He is writing how bad his System is, guaranteed not accurate, etc.
Whats the deal with that?

Relativity - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:37 pm
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forexjake80 wrote:

I like it when u said no girls are watching. LOL!

No idea about the contract. But what I can tell you is that his system does work. Of why he chooses to boost his ego here, that I have no idea.

forexjake80 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:59 pm
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How do you know it is working, Rel?
Why is he stating "It will ALWAYS lose money every single day" ?
Why is he stating "It will ALWAYS fail" ?

In case he is not a scam artist, there are couple of things which raise the red flag:
-fancy name for his System
-fear of lost sales pitch
-he is explaining himself, which is alway suspicious

And again: Why the hell is he stating how great his system fails and loses money? O.O

Relativity - Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:14 pm
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forexjake80 wrote:

1-Because every system is bound to lose some money, just how much.
2-If you are trading a horizontal line placed at the correct position and losing ALOT, it simply means you just have to reverse your logic and instantly you are successful.

In regards of his sales pitch, I do not care.

forexjake80 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:20 pm
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... lol... allright... accuracy rating of less than 4%? Whatever an accuarcy rating is, 4%, that is not much...?
How do you know his "system" is working?

Relativity - Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:25 pm
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forexjake80 wrote:

... lol... allright... accuracy rating of less than 4%? Whatever an accuarcy rating is, 4%, that is not much...?
How do you know his "system" is working?

Coz I use a system almost similar to his now. LOL! This is why I am ignoring his offer.

As for the accuracy part, here's some guesswork and experience on my part :

1-Try the system and deliberately learn how to lose for 1 or 2 weeks. Feel the pain and remember it! Meaning, its easy to lose. But its very hard to learn how to lose deliberately and with purpose, to force one to learn how price moves in terms of volatility.
2-Now reverse the logic and you are now have a 96% accuracy win rate.

forexjake80 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:32 pm
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let me rephrase: how do you know his "system"?

Relativity - Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:39 pm
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forexjake80 wrote:

let me rephrase: how do you know his "system"?

Read his Line In The Sand thread at FF.
Then reverse engineer it in terms of (at least according to what I know) :

Supply and Demand Areas
Zigzags / Wave Patterns
Pip/Time Efficiency
Use some EMAs if you can't 'see' it
Game Theory / aka 'Defending' your line

The only part I am missing is understanding how price moves precisely during certain market sessions, but I personally think it can be ignored.

forexjake80 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:45 pm
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You did not just try to throw squiglies at me, did you? Smile

)

Well, defending a horizontal line, does sound like a valid approach. I give him that.

Relativity - Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:50 pm
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Lol. Only for learning purposes. I went through that stage myself using flying buddha.

PebbleTrader - Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:18 pm
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Line In The Sand?

This thread?

Relativity - Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:24 pm
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Yeah

PebbleTrader - Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:23 pm
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That person's username is "Spectre2006" how do we know this is the same person as "Horizontal"?

PebbleTrader - Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:29 pm
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"1) pick a S/R level, trade the smallest lot size possible in your acct.

2) stay long above S/R, stay short below S/R.

3) always reverse logging how much its costing you.

4) take profit at twice the cost or till 1% loss in account equity.

What you will find is that volatile markets are the best, and price will make headway in one direction or the other. The goal is to pick a price point that is retraced the least. And a price vector is either positively sloped or negatively sloped to greater degree then flat on a intraday timeframe"

"On 100,000 account, 1% is 1000

USDJPY spread is usually 3 pips.

3 pip spread x 33 reversals x 9.17 dollars/pip = 907 dollars or close to 1%

now take a look at price action and how many times certain points get retraced and when they rarely get retraced. The number of reversals before you hit 1% loss is actually less, since slippage and just the price moving in one direction vs another implies a loss greater then the spread. Lets say your API exits at 1 pip loss so total of 4 pips per reversal implies only 27 attempts before 1% loss limit is hit.

take a look at your chart and when price traverses through the same point 27 times. on a typical day how many times does price traverse a typical point. Thats why it inherently important to only trade this method on volatile days, where price just runs and doesnt look back. And even if it does look back, it looks back less then 5 times. The cost ends up being 183 dollars or 5 x 4 x 9.17. The price needs to slip 40 pips to cover the cost of reversal and make an extra 20 pips on the trade. If you further reduce you cost to ECNS that have minimal spread, your margins are even greater to work with."

Horizontal - Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:18 pm
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LOL, post a thread looking for a coder - get continuous nonsequitur in reply. If the Forex was as predictable as the replies in this thread, you'd be doing something other than scurrying like Rat's right now, trying to figure out that which sits directly under your Rat nose! Unbelievable.

I tried, first, with a straight forward request.
Then, I tried (a second time) with a little humor.

Now, (at least one of you) have pissed-off the chance of a lifetime. Not just predictable, but downright insane.

Relativity wrote:

Lol. Only for learning purposes. I went through that stage myself using flying buddha.

Honestly, that was funny! It really was. Smile

Regarding, trading the horizontal line. There's no way that such a connection could have possibly been made, short of one poser treading water on both forums and feigning righteous contact with me. Aside from that, however, the original post in this thread made it crystal clear, the idea is not a trading system, but a methodology.

As far as Relativity and 'Breeding' (ooops) is concerned, if lost more money in this business (most likely) than you will ever make in your entire lifetime as a trader. So, you can forget about this being something you've done in a previous life as a trader - when you were "new" - LOL! Get real.

Look, your collective arrogance brought you, here - not my call for a responsible coder. But, since no such creature exists on Planet of the Rats, I will post the equity curve as promised, so that you will know what you don't already understand about how the markets work and why they work the way they do.

I've been where you are going.
I've take the road you now travel.

Until you come full circle in this business, you will forever be blinded by your own stupidity, arrogance and unbridled foolishness - not to mention hubris and the uncanny propensity for that which is less than optimal.

So let it be written - so let it be done.

Go forth and multiple, O' Ye herd of blind Mice.

You guys are always a barrel of laughs! You have NO idea just how funny you are. Wink

PebbleTrader - Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:35 pm
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Your words say a lot about the kind of person you are...

bredin - Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:23 pm
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Definitly not someone I would want to be in business with. No reward could ever be great enough to deal with this.

G. (seriously... "breeding", did you think of that all by yourself, or did you have help?)

es/pip - Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:19 pm
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Horizontal wrote:

Relativity wrote:

Lol. Only for learning purposes. I went through that stage myself using flying buddha.

Honestly, that was funny! It really was. Smile

Every once in a while a dumb-ass will come along and get me posting again, and you have successfully acheived this illusive feat.

Congratulations.

i know A LOT of people that trade successfully, and yet i do not know anyone that trades successfully with a "system".

Whenever i hear " EA", i always get a good laugh, and yes i did and am currently laughing at you.

You come on this forum with your little attitude and your great system and start insulting everyone. If you had what you think you have, you would not run the chance of telling anyone by them coding it, you would do anything and everything to keep it a secret. You would learn to code and then keep it to yourself, instead you post a bunch of cute rat pictures and run your mouth.

I fcuking love the interent, I fcuking love EA's and most of all i fcuking love GURUS.

I am sooooooooooo anxious to see your "hypothetical" equity curve.

I will then be anxious to see your live results vrs your "hypothetical" equity curve.

AND THEN

I will then be anxious when you come to the realization that you are an idiot and then stop posting here all together.

To sum up all of the above......... you can pretty much blow me.

Relativity - Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:12 pm
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Relativity wrote:

Yeah

PebbleTrader wrote:

That person's username is "Spectre2006" how do we know this is the same person as "Horizontal"?

LOL my bad. Trying to post while doing coding at the same time. So saw the wrong one.

Its actually this one.

The Confession

Horizontal - Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:19 pm
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PebbleTrader wrote:

Your words say a lot about the kind of person you are...

Indeed, they do. Just look at the posts that followed a call for collaboration. LOL, who do you think you are kidding, here.

Words have meaning and that applies in both directions. [you will never know the uncanny irony of that statement] Wink

Relativity - Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:55 pm
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Horizontal wrote:

PebbleTrader wrote:

Your words say a lot about the kind of person you are...

I do not mind pissing off this chance.

You are a good and matured trader, no doubt about that. But I realized about something. You do want to help and serve others, but its pretty much out of feeding both your overly questionable character and arrogant attitude. Not everyone must bow their heads towards you and hail you as king.

With all that said, I also hold myself accountable and qualified to speak, unless proven otherwise I am willing to self correct. I let true humility speak for itself through actions and not words.

I do not have much else to say from this point. If you can't get what you want/need, its really your problem, not mine. Its just weird that the barrier between you and others is actually you yourself.

But thank you for at least trying to 'help'.

Horizontal - Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:59 pm
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es/pip wrote:

Every once in a while a dumb-ass will come along and get me posting again, and you have successfully acheived this illusive feat.

I did not know that you were able to 'acheived' anything - dumb-ass. LOL! Keep typing - you prove my point for me with every stroke. Smile

es/pip wrote:

i know A LOT of people that trade successfully, and yet i do not know anyone that trades successfully with a "system".

LOL, you don't know anyone that trades successfully with a "system?" ROTFLMBO! You really make me laugh, ya really do! Keep it coming.

This is just the beginning of what I promised you. I'm going to take my time rolling the curve in, nice and slow - just so you will know what was sorely missed, here.

Still laughing? Only a fool wold laugh at 176+ pips right out of the box. And, I have not even optimized anything at this point yet. If you look closely at the trades, I did not use any of the Protective Logic that could have even further increased the net profit total.

It is not about WHAT you trade - its about HOW you trade it and the "attitude" you bring to market with you each and every single day. Someone having "experience" with "A LOT" of successful traders, should have already known that much, LOL!

es/pip wrote:

Whenever i hear " EA", i always get a good laugh, and yes i did and am currently laughing at you.

You can laugh at me as I saunter to the bank everyday of your life, for all I care. But, laughing at routine and regular pip totals, is a bit like laughing at a 200 foot tall tidal wave that crashing down on your head at 100 mph. Its really dumb, when you stop to think about it. Ooops, sorry. This is Kreslik, and not many here ever stop to "think" about anything they are actually saying. Wink

Keep laughing and I'll slowly dripping out the curve on your laughter, as it turns into a: Aaaah, shucks - I should behaved like a civilized human being, instead of with such clueless hubris. [you have no idea with whom you are chatting with here, do you.] Tisk, tisk, tisk. Wise up.

es/pip wrote:

You come on this forum with your little attitude and your great system and start insulting everyone.

So, it is true - you can't read, nor comprehend what you read if/when you stumble upon that neuronal sequence that allows you to squeak by in English class. Re-read again - the original post was a straight forward, no frills call to collaboration for an intelligent coder. Since that does not exist on this forum, the ensuing replies pulled down the pants of those who made them and astutely put their own foot up their own behind.

Don't try to get into a war of words with me, guy. You would not survive that kind of cyber attack. You don't have the syllogistic or prescient horsepower to make that happen. Minor league prose don't score points and clueless comments about how "systems don't work," when it was clearly stated that this is IS NOT a system, rather a "methodology," only delineates what they still don't teach the Rat's at Green Light/Red Light School.

es/pip wrote:

If you had what you think you have, you would not run the chance of telling anyone by them coding it, you would do anything and everything to keep it a secret.

Well, not really. I still believe in ethical, honest, and mature people with good character, morals and a strong and backbone of principle, dignity and forthrightness. I just no longer believe that such a thing exists on Kreslik, that's all, LOL! Wake up.

Remember that line from the movie: Sneakers. Too Many Secrets. I think it had Dan Aykroyd, Robert Redford and Sidney Poitier, to name a few. Remember the other line from the movie: [b]"Its all about the information, Marty. Who has it, who controls it - who doesn't have it, who doesn't control it" - something like that. Well, the fact of the matter is that you could learn a lot from what you don't already know, LOL! Let that sink in a bit, and it just might make some sense to you.

es/pip wrote:

You would learn to code and then keep it to yourself, instead you post a bunch of cute rat pictures and run your mouth.

You still don't get it do you. You are still way out in left field on this - aren't you.

es/pip wrote:

I am sooooooooooo anxious to see your "hypothetical" equity curve.

Be careful what you ask for!

es/pip wrote:

I will then be anxious to see your live results vrs your "hypothetical" equity curve.

I bet you won't be nearly as anxious to see that as I am, ROTFLMBO!

es/pip wrote:

I will then be anxious when you come to the realization that you are an idiot and then stop posting here all together.

The idiot is the one who proclaims to know something about which he cannot possibly know. That fits Rats like you on this forum to a perfect T. You pontificate about that which has not been fully explained; you feign enlightenment while yielding blind ignorance; you claim knowledge of the markets while exhibiting dark shadows of self-induced and self-fulling prophecies; you claim not to be Directional in Rat terms, yet you use a Stop Loss!

You are the epitome of that which is irrational, illogical, and holistically under-prepared for genuine success in this business - all because you LACK common sense!

es/pip wrote:

To sum up all of the above......... you can pretty much blow me.

You've just blown yourself, clown - LOL!!!

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:08 am
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Relativity wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

PebbleTrader wrote:

Your words say a lot about the kind of person you are...

Typical internet trading forum response. Been there, done that. Its "ok" for YOU to respond arrogantly, but when that gets thrown back into your face, then the other guys is the "arrogant one," not you. The hypocrisy is staggering on that score. You initiate the arrogance, get called out for it, and then try to use as your claim of defense! Amazingly, illogical.

The fact that people do this in broad daylight, never ceases to amaze me. You would think that some of you would wake up to the fact that anyone can simply read the record for themselves and see the sequence of posts that were made, what was said, when it was said and how it was said - LOL!

Hilarious - you guys really make my day. You really do!

es/pip - Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:28 am
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Horizontal wrote:

es/pip wrote:

Every once in a while a dumb-ass will come along and get me posting again, and you have successfully acheived this illusive feat.

I did not know that you were able to 'acheived' anything - dumb-ass. LOL! Keep typing - you prove my point for me with every stroke. Smile

es/pip wrote:

i know A LOT of people that trade successfully, and yet i do not know anyone that trades successfully with a "system".

LOL, you don't know anyone that trades successfully with a "system?" ROTFLMBO! You really make me laugh, ya really do! Keep it coming.

es/pip wrote:

Whenever i hear " EA", i always get a good laugh, and yes i did and am currently laughing at you.

es/pip wrote:

You come on this forum with your little attitude and your great system and start insulting everyone.

es/pip wrote:

If you had what you think you have, you would not run the chance of telling anyone by them coding it, you would do anything and everything to keep it a secret.

es/pip wrote:

You would learn to code and then keep it to yourself, instead you post a bunch of cute rat pictures and run your mouth.

You still don't get it do you. You are still way out in left field on this - aren't you.

es/pip wrote:

I am sooooooooooo anxious to see your "hypothetical" equity curve.

Be careful what you ask for!

es/pip wrote:

I will then be anxious to see your live results vrs your "hypothetical" equity curve.

I bet you won't be nearly as anxious to see that as I am, ROTFLMBO!

es/pip wrote:

I will then be anxious when you come to the realization that you are an idiot and then stop posting here all together.

es/pip wrote:

To sum up all of the above......... you can pretty much blow me.

You've just blown yourself, clown - LOL!!!

I apoligize for making a grammatical error, as it is hard to trade LIVE and respond to your little ass at the same time.

I read a sentence here and there of all that total and complete horseshit and completely lost interest in reading the rest of it.

If you would like to summarize it for me i would be so greatfull and forever in your debt.

[you have no idea with whom you are chatting with here, do you.] Tisk, tisk, tisk. Wise up.

i dont give two shits who you are, and regardless of who you are you can still go fuck yourself.

Minor league pro?

"Don't try to get into a war of words with me, guy ?"

I would love a face to face with your little ass.

and again you can blow me

one last question

Why are you trading such small size?

es/pip - Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:34 am
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" You are the epitome of that which is irrational, illogical, and holistically under-prepared for genuine success in this business - all because you LACK common sense! "

Incorrect

I am however the most arrogant person that you will ever meet, mostly due to the success that i have had with trading. Although, i was pretty confident before trading, now it is just beyond comprehension.

i have also probably slept with more women than you have smiled at.

just thought i would throw all that in for you.

es/pip - Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:36 am
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if you respond with more than 1 paragraph, odds are i will not take the time to read it.

es/pip - Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:36 am
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dbl post
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i see kreslik is still at the top of the game with forum technology

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:15 am
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[quote="es/pip"]I apoligize for making a grammatical error, as it is hard to trade LIVE and respond to your little ass at the same time.

es/pip wrote:

keyboard tough guys like yourself, is that in the real world, you're not. In the real world, people with bravado like you are ducking for cover, every day of their miserable life.

You don't know squanto about anything you speak relative to trading, yet - you just know so much about me. That's proof positive that you are a Faker, not a Trader.

Now, the last time I challenged someone to a Trade-Off, he got caught by the Police eventually and was found out to be a total fraud. His name was JackO, on the forums, but I called him SickO. He soon shut his mouth when I personally challenged him to a $5 million trade-off competition with escrow being arranged by the attorney of his choice and free airfare out to my neck of the woods, plus complimentary five-star hotel accommodations.

Now, if you think you are chatting with a wannabe, then you can pick up where JackO, left off. And, maybe we'll see YOU on the six O'clock news someday soon! Of course, since my production accounts have grown a 'little' since the days of JackO, our challenge pot will be for no less than $10 million to start. Esrow arranged by both of our attorneys at a location of YOUR selection with a 100 day trading period attached. The trader with the highest ROI at the end of 100 days wins the pot.

Period. Now, put up or shut up, clown.

I don't play Poker. You'll have to teach me how to play that game some day.

[quote="es/pip"]
I read a sentence here and there of all that total and complete horseshit and completely lost interest in reading the rest of it.

That is your problem! You come here, ranting about a topic that YOU don't even understand. How pathetic an example is that! Get your head on straight, cowboy.

es/pip wrote:

If you would like to summarize it for me i would be so greatfull and forever in your debt.

Grateful, clown. And, it is definitely NOT an apparent virtue of yours, no doubt. Geeeeeeeepers! You guys are something else. How old are you, 14? 17, tops?

es/pip wrote:

i dont give two shits who you are, and regardless of who you are you can still go fuck yourself.

That's another problem of yours, you are too damn stupid to know what you are dealing with and how to handle it once you do know what you are dealing with.

You sophisticated trader, you! You know so much, yet you don't even understand that all this banter about Rats and all other manner of rodent posterity, including the highly uneducated Rat, who somehow still knows enough to be Directional (LOL!) - is nothing more than an unnecessary drain on your emotional bank account and quite possibly, your real bank account!

Why on earth, or any other location within the known universe, would you take a trade that YOU deem "Non-Directional," and STILL set a Stop Loss? That's fantastically idiotic. It makes ZERO sense, whatsoever.

What? Do ya think the Rat cares about losing 10 pips? And, why 10 pips? Why pull a number out of THIN FREAKING AIR, as motive and empirical substance for a Stop Loss.

Do you understand what a Stop Loss is all about, kind Sir? Can you tell me what a Stop Loss means, both from a money management standpoint as well as from a psychological standpoint? I bet you dollars to donuts that you can't! I bet you, that you don't have the slightest clue about what a Stop Loss means, or (better yet) for WHOM it was designed.

You tell me that you are a successful trader, yet out of the same side of your mouth, you tell me that you use a Stop! That's NONSENSE. Pure and simple. Nobody, who understands what the heck they are doing in this business, uses a standard Stop - other than Rats without a damn CLUE!

WAKE UP, clown.

es/pip wrote:

I would love a face to face with your little ass.

No, you wouldn't. Because punks like you don't make NCAA Pac Ten Conference Player of the Year and they damn sure don't survive 3.4 years in the NFL, just for starters about with whom you are dialoguing with right now.

Damn, Sheeple.

es/pip wrote:

Why are you trading such small size?

Its called a test. Who said I was trading the damn thing. And, that is your biggest problem - you assume more than you should.

Dumb azz.

es/pip - Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:17 am
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too long of a response

I said 1 paragraph

not reading it

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:18 am
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es/pip wrote:

if you respond with more than 1 paragraph, odds are i will not take the time to read it.

Odds are - you couldn't comprehend it if I did.

You are a pluralistic moron, waiting to be put out of this business. Keep right on walking the blind path of ignorance and I doubt very seriously that 5 years from now, you will still be a so-called "trader."

Sheeple, LOL!

es/pip - Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:22 am
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Horizontal wrote:

es/pip wrote:

if you respond with more than 1 paragraph, odds are i will not take the time to read it.

again you can blow me and go fuck yourself

your entrance brought this on

you are a fucking tool at best

i am fairly sure i will still be around in the years to come, as i left the " testing" phase before you even looked at a chart.

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:58 am
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es/pip wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

es/pip wrote:

if you respond with more than 1 paragraph, odds are i will not take the time to read it.

Do have $10 million to put your money where you mouth is, or not? This is not your thread, More-On.

es/pip - Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:59 am
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Horizontal wrote:

es/pip wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

es/pip wrote:

if you respond with more than 1 paragraph, odds are i will not take the time to read it.

Do have $10 million to put your money where you mouth is, or not? This is not your thread, More-On.

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:07 am
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This test result had a net positive MFE of +174 and a maximum MAE of -3.6 pips for the duration of the trading cycle.

The final capture of +29.65 pips total, was only because I am allowing the the cycle to run for 24 hours, not using a Limit and have only begun to optimize this rocket.

I have a ton of optimization weapons to bring to bear on this EA, so it might take me some time to get it just where I want it: finely tuned and screaming.

* Using an EA containing my trade logic, and created with the Molanis object model.

** The results are staggered for now, as I move through some optimization paths. So, I expect some unflattering trade results, until I can finalize the optimization methods.

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:11 am
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es/pip wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

es/pip wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

es/pip wrote:

if you respond with more than 1 paragraph, odds are i will not take the time to read it.

Do have $10 million to put your money where you mouth is, or not? This is not your thread, More-On.

That better be your reply, JackO II. Sit on the sidelines, right where you belong and watch how it is really done.

es/pip - Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:14 am
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Horizontal wrote:

es/pip wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

es/pip wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

es/pip wrote:

if you respond with more than 1 paragraph, odds are i will not take the time to read it.

Do have $10 million to put your money where you mouth is, or not? This is not your thread, More-On.

That better be your reply, JackO II. Sit on the sidelines, right where you belong and watch how it is really done.

hahahahahahahaah

here is a sad clown for you

get mad and i will post a angry one for you

go back and read your posts and how you entered this forum, and how you treated the members here

if you cannot figure it out i will post a confused clown for you next

thanks you for your time

es/pip - Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:17 am
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You seem like a pretty smart guy.

I was wondering if i could run something by you real quick.

If you go through a drive-thru and they give you the wrong items that you ordered, and you do not realize it until you have gotten all the way home.

would you

1. Eat what they gave you?

2. Drive back and get what you ordered?

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:18 am
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I'm also running this EA on an M1 time-frame. So, the overall draw-down should be considerably higher than with larger time-frames - figuring out which is best, is part of the optimization process.

LittleKnown - Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:31 am
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Dirty rats, dead rats, old rats, rat assed, and also a woman has a rat

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:12 am
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es/pip wrote:

3. If you want something to eat, you might have to cook it yourself.

4. Only a damn fool would not know his own cooking.

I'm way ahead of you at ever turn, here. And, do you know why? That's because the RAT exists because 'I' exist.

Now, go figure that one out and you would actually be doing something worthwhile. What the heck do you think the so-called "Buy Zone" and "Sell Zone" are all about anyway. The nerve of you clowns - to not know who your real Daddy is.

Spanked. Caught. Busted. Etc.

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:19 am
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LittleKnown wrote:

Dirty rats, dead rats, old rats, rat assed, and also a woman has a rat

"LittleDidYouKnow."

Or, more to the point: "LittleThatYouThoughtYouKnewBefore."

Or, after thinking about it: LittleKnown, works just fine. Wink

es/pip - Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:21 am
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Horizontal wrote:

es/pip wrote:

Daddy,

please answer this one for me.

If you were buying an ice cream from the ice cream truck and when he gave it to you it was half melted.

Would you
1. try and exchange it for one that was not half melted?
2. just go ahead and eat it?

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:31 am
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es/pip wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

es/pip wrote:

Only children ask the same exact question repeatedly, after having been answered, without realizing just how childish they are by nature.

But, of course - this is what children do.

Go make yourself useful while I optimize my EA and go find me a GapDetector.mq4 with external variables to control the search range across all available time-frames behind Bar [0]. You do have a brain, don't you?

Oh, never mind - I'll go make the darn thing myself - or maybe I'll just google it instead, who knows.

Be useful, for goodness sakes you clown. LOL, what malcontent. Where the heck did this group pick you up from - the Dime Store?

es/pip - Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:40 am
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Horizontal wrote:

es/pip wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

es/pip wrote:

That is actually a different question and not the same exact one.

This next question will be different than the first two that i asked you.

I am hesitant to post this question due to the fact that you have not answered the second question i asked, but i am going to go ahead and ask it regardless.

Hypothetically speaking, lets say you were going to Taco Bell, and once you got there you realized that they were all out of tacos.

Would you
1. order a burrito?

2. go somewhere else?

if you do not answer the 2 questions that have gone unanswered i will not be able to reply to anymore of your non-sense.

Maybe i should stop asking you questions and sit back and see how this trading thing is really done. Rolling Eyes

Did your system.................. errrrrrrrrr...... method get short that m15 shoulder on EU ?

probably not

i will leave you to your wonderful thread now, even though i am not even sure what the point of the entire thing is to tell you the truth.

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:05 am
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Hypothetically speaking, your taco bell restaurant would not even exist had someone that doesn't frequent the establishment very often all, decided one day to not provide the blueprints for building it.

Guy, you are so far behind the power curve here, that I hardly can contain my laughter.

You have no idea who is on the other end of the line here, do ya. Wink

Sheeple.

es/pip - Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:18 am
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Horizontal wrote:

Sheeple.

i am going to hypothetically respond to your hypothetically half-assed response.

Since i asked a hypothetical question, whether or not someone would provide blueprints and actually construct the building is irrelevant.

It seems that my questions are going over your head, as you are unable to actually answer what i am asking.

You are however correct in your assessment of me not knowing who is on the other side of the line, but as i have stated before and i quote, " i could give two shits who you are."

Are you going to answer my questions or not?

Here is another question for you (you can work on all this while you are building your EA).

Lets say that you drink whole milk. You go to the supermarket of choice and they are all out of whole milk.

Do you

1. buy a different kind?

2. Ask to speak to the manager about it?

3. Go to a different store?

PebbleTrader - Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:48 am
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Horizontal:

I am never one to "burn my bridges".

If I cross a bridge and set it on fire (put somebody down), then I have eliminated any future possibility (future opportunity) of being able to cross it again.

"karma" or whatever you want to call it, will come back around eventually. Don't think that you can hide from it behind a computer screen.

When I think about all the successful people I know, they would never say the things that you have said...Why? Because they are successful. Think about it yourself, all the successful people you know and how many of them talk like you?

Maybe you are successful at trading and have accumulated massive amounts of money...Which means you have accumulated massive amounts of worthless paper. What is VASTLY more important is if you have been successful in LIFE? Because you only have 1 shot at it...

I would trade every dollar in my trading account for a happy, fulfilled and balanced life of adventures.

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:51 am
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es/pip wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

Sheeple.

You are dumber than you look. LOL! You are so far up the wazzu's azz that you don't even know which end is up, do you.

Clueless, Rat.

Relativity - Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:57 am
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Horizontal wrote:

Relativity wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

PebbleTrader wrote:

Your words say a lot about the kind of person you are...

There is a difference between arrogant and being direct.

es/pip - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:00 am
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Why can you not answer the questions?

Should I re-word them so that you can undertand what I have written?

At this point I am fairly certain that you are unable to understand.

Do you see what I am saying with what I have said, and what I currently am saying?

I think not.

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:00 am
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PebbleTrader wrote:

Karma? Did you say, Karma??? LOL! The monstrosity of wilderness training going on here, is mind boggling.

It is not about my success (though I am a very successful trader). It is about sheeple, not knowing where the RAT comes from. Where the heck do you think TRO got the idea from, huh?

Wake the fuck up, will you. I know who TRO happens to be - as late as three years ago, somebody filled me in on what happened.

How do you think Kreslik came into existence? Without the Ratty "idea?" Where do you think the Rat idea came from? In fact, do you even know what a Low to Close dimension looks like? Or, a High to Close dimension? Or, who the hell came up with the idea of trading them as dimensions in the first place?

Of course, you don't. You are all up the wazzu's azz and completely clueless about the same.

You are trading with nearly 12 year old shiite that I created LONG ago, while conducting online research out in the open - first in an Email Group that I personally maintained and then in online forums, long before there ever was a public facing TRO, or Kreslik.

What turnip truck do you actually have the audacity to think I just fell from?

Take a break and digest that for a moment, Karma.

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:03 am
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Relativity wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

Relativity wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

PebbleTrader wrote:

Your words say a lot about the kind of person you are...

There is a difference between arrogant and being direct.

Sorta like the difference in being 12 years late to the party, and not even knowing it!

You are my Great Grand Child, fool.

I AM the original StealthTrader, nut. LOL!

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:05 am
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Such ungrateful harlots. LOL!

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:06 am
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Know YOUR Grand Father.

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:06 am
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LOL! ROTFLMBO!

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:07 am
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Sorry, to break to news to you this way, but somebody hasn't been very honest.

es/pip - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:08 am
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Horizontal wrote:

PebbleTrader wrote:

I must have missed how everything on this site has to do with the rat, and therfore came from your outstanding knowledge.

I also thought what you just wrote was the funniest shit I have read from you yet.

Haahahahhhhaha.

Unreal.

So are you going to tell me whether or not you would order the fucking burrito or not?

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:09 am
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X- Factor
StealthTrader
TradeVector

Started all this shiite you think is off world.

Wake the heck up and smell the coffee.

I came back to my grand children to offer them something beyond what they know, and my grand children knew me not.

Sounds very familiar to me.

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:12 am
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es/pip wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

PebbleTrader wrote:

Which just about proves you've got a burrito for a brain and a little bit too much sour cream in between.

Clueless, trolls.

Relativity - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:13 am
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Horizontal wrote:

No one is your grandchildren here. Thats all.

Weird that you are claiming something that doesn't exist.

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:13 am
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As you were Kreslik'ites.

Or, as you thought you were - more to the point. LOL!

es/pip - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:14 am
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I want to make sure I am in complete understanding of what you exactly created.

You created momentum and shoulders in the market?

All markets?

WOW!!!!!!!

How in the world did you manage to do that?

What the fuck is a stealth trader?

What about the whole milk?

Ice cream?

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:16 am
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Relativity wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

No one is your grandchildren here. Thats all.

Weird that you are claiming something that doesn't exist.

Go figure out what a Buy Zone is and then come back and tell me the difference between that and a Trailing-Long dimension within Distinct Vega.

More importantly, show me ANYBODY pre circa 2000, who was anywhere online or in any email group or any news group (back then) even remotely discussing anything close to the concept.

Unknowing, Grandchild.

es/pip - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:21 am
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Wait a minute, I think I now understand how you created momentum in all markets.

It was from you trading at $1 a pip.

Hahhahhahhah

Thanks Grandaddy.

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:24 am
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es/pip wrote:

I want to make sure I am in complete understanding of what you exactly created.

You are too dumb to understand what's being laid down for you, here.

es/pip wrote:

You created momentum and shoulders in the market?

Distinct Vega, is exactly that: Distinct Volatility. What the heck do you think Vega means, moron? LOL! You've probably never traded an option a day in your miserably trading life, so I doubt that you knew anything about Vega.

es/pip wrote:

All markets?

All Bars of data, clown.

es/pip wrote:

WOW!!!!!!!

More than you know, yes.

es/pip wrote:

How in the world did you manage to do that?

Research, study, comparative data analysis in multiple dimensions and creative thought, which is something that I'm sure you know precious little about.

es/pip wrote:

What the fuck is a stealth trader?

a) Me (for user id purposes when online)
b) A digital trading system (for making real money)

[something else you probably know little about]

es/pip wrote:

What about the whole milk?

Apparently, at least one of my off-spring drank his, LOL. He's got you believing he invented the shiite. LOL!!!!

es/pip wrote:

Ice cream?

Pips?

Relativity - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:25 am
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Horizontal wrote:

Relativity wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

No one is your grandchildren here. Thats all.

Weird that you are claiming something that doesn't exist.

True respect is earned through selfless agreement and will of 2 parties, not claimed with force and selfish motives in an arrogant manner.

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:29 am
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Relativity wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

Relativity wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

No one is your grandchildren here. Thats all.

Weird that you are claiming something that doesn't exist.

True respect is earned through selfless agreement and will of 2 parties, not claimed with force and selfish motives in an arrogant manner.

Correction:

That was the sight and sound of a hydrogen bomb exploding in here. That's all.

The truth often times stranger than fiction, my dear son.

es/pip - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:30 am
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Well I stand corrected.

I am just amazed that you created momentum and shoulders in the markets, and doing this while trading at $1 a pip is just outstanding in itself.

Everyone pay attention, we have the person that created momentum and shoulders in all markets right here on kreslik.

I am just fucking floored that I am talking to the person that created all this.

How would you explain momentum and shoulders that formed before your mother made the mistake in giving birth to you?

I bet your grandaddy created those.

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:38 am
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es/pip wrote:

If I repeat that you are dumb, does that make you dumber?

You are like most of the clueless trading trolls online who wouldn't know a creative thought if it jumped up and slapped him in the rear admiral.

I bet you still work a Retail Account, while calling it long-term success, right? Now, I want to be clear - there is nothing wrong with trading Retail. That's where most people get their start off Wall Street. But, if after 5 years in the business, you are still pounding the pavement of Retail Avenue, then I'd strongly suggest you wake the heck up and realize what you have missed.

I, from time to time, come online for various reasons. To check in on the newbie traders and see what they are doing over the years - to get the general pulse of the online trading community in the aggregate - and to find out of there is anybody out there hawking shiite that I created 11-12 years ago. LOL!

Relativity - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:40 am
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Horizontal wrote:

Relativity wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

Relativity wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

No one is your grandchildren here. Thats all.

Weird that you are claiming something that doesn't exist.

True respect is earned through selfless agreement and will of 2 parties, not claimed with force and selfish motives in an arrogant manner.

Correction:

That was the sight and sound of a hydrogen bomb exploding in here. That's all.

The truth often times stranger than fiction, my dear son.

A fantasy world fueled by arrogance. Weird. I am going to MYOB anyway. See you maybe in future.

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:46 am
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Relativity wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

Relativity wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

Relativity wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

No one is your grandchildren here. Thats all.

Weird that you are claiming something that doesn't exist.

True respect is earned through selfless agreement and will of 2 parties, not claimed with force and selfish motives in an arrogant manner.

Correction:

That was the sight and sound of a hydrogen bomb exploding in here. That's all.

The truth often times stranger than fiction, my dear son.

A fantasy world fueled by arrogance. Weird. I am going to MYOB anyway. See you maybe in future.

Yeah, and you STILL can't tell me what a Buy or Sell Zone is - now can you? Because, if you do, then you will be describing nothing more than the Trailing Long and Trailing Short dimensions of Distinct Vega, across a range of bars, aggregated, averaged and statistically ranked.

GI Joe Traders, you are not.

What you DO NOT know anything about is the extension of Distinct Vega, Alpha-4 and Alpha-5 Dimensions. And, THAT is precisely WHY you keep getting Whip-lashed to death screwing around with a Rat that is blind, deaf and dumb.

es/pip - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:48 am
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Horizontal wrote:

es/pip wrote:

yet you trade at $1 a pip

hahahaahah

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i would like to take this opportunity to tell you to blow me again in case you get banned while i am sleeping.

nite nite Gran-daddy

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:49 am
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Relativity wrote:

....See you maybe in future.

More like when my Ask passes your Bid, or when my Bid passes your Ask, headed in the wrong direction because you are a Non-directional Directional Trader, who is so hopelessly confused about what you are really doing, that it pains me (almost) to watch it all unfold.

bredin - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:50 am
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Ok so its a brute force stop-and-reverse system which picks S/R as a point to start from.

Thats actually a really good idea.

G. (pity the owner of the brain that thought of it is such a dick)

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:56 am
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es/pip wrote:

yet you trade at $1 a pip

hahahaahah

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i would like to take this opportunity to tell you to blow me again in case you get banned while i am sleeping.

nite nite Gran-daddy

Buy Zone?
Sell Zone?
20 Pips from Daily Low?
20 Pips from Daily High?

Why do you think a 10 pip stop makes you a Non-Directional trader? Do you realize how irrational that reads?

Silly, Rat. You should have dropped out of Yale and headed straight for MIT.

Relativity - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:57 am
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Horizontal wrote:

Relativity wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

Relativity wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

Relativity wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

No one is your grandchildren here. Thats all.

Weird that you are claiming something that doesn't exist.

True respect is earned through selfless agreement and will of 2 parties, not claimed with force and selfish motives in an arrogant manner.

Correction:

That was the sight and sound of a hydrogen bomb exploding in here. That's all.

The truth often times stranger than fiction, my dear son.

A fantasy world fueled by arrogance. Weird. I am going to MYOB anyway. See you maybe in future.

There is no need to answer your question. I have justifications. Sure, I don't know fully and precisely what are those mumbo jumbo stuff that you have.

Yet it does not call for you to take a assumptive position of superiority over others. Neither do I.

Maybe I am working on the same stuff that you have, just that you name them differently from how I do.

Maybe I have different stuff compared to yours. Maybe its simpler and less complex.

But what I can tell you is that it does work very well and I worry about whipsaw no more. And its also about the rat.

es/pip - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:58 am
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Horizontal wrote:

es/pip wrote:

yet you trade at $1 a pip

hahahaahah

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i would like to take this opportunity to tell you to blow me again in case you get banned while i am sleeping.

nite nite Gran-daddy

Considering i do not use any of that shit to trade i am not sure how to respond to that.

i am going to bed

hahahhahah

what a clown

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:59 am
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bredin wrote:

Ok so its a brute force stop-and-reverse system which picks S/R as a point to start from.

Not quite, kid. And, it is not a good idea at all, if you don't know where to make the stand. In fact, making the wrong stand could be quite costly.

It only becomes an excellent idea when you realize what price has to do and WHY it has to do it. Most importantly, WHERE price likes to do it and WHEN.

20 pips from the Daily Low?

LOL! Hardly the answer, Dick.

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:01 am
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es/pip wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

es/pip wrote:

yet you trade at $1 a pip

hahahaahah

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i would like to take this opportunity to tell you to blow me again in case you get banned while i am sleeping.

nite nite Gran-daddy

Considering i do not use any of that shit to trade i am not sure how to respond to that.

i am going to bed

hahahhahah

what a clown

Yeah, you don't use any of that shiite to trade with, yet you are in here on this forum running your virtual lips about something you know absolutely nothing about? Is that what you have just admitted to?

Classic definition of Trading Community Troll. I've seen BILLIONS of your kind in my time, son. And, I've shut-up at least half a billion of them along the way.

Just another TCT to me.

pp2 - Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:07 am
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christ! ... world war three Sad

es/pip - Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:14 am
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Horizontal wrote:

es/pip wrote:

Horizontal wrote:

es/pip wrote:

yet you trade at $1 a pip

hahahaahah

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i would like to take this opportunity to tell you to blow me again in case you get banned while i am sleeping.

nite nite Gran-daddy

Considering i do not use any of that shit to trade i am not sure how to respond to that.

i am going to bed

hahahhahah

what a clown

Are you slightly retarded?

For some reason you still think the only thing on this forum is rat buy zone etc etc.
Again

I do not use any of that shit to trade.

I am done going back and forth with you, it is too hard to hold a conversation with someone who is this slow.

PebbleTrader - Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:15 am
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"How do you think Kreslik came into existence? Without the Ratty "idea?" Where do you think the Rat idea came from? In fact, do you even know what a Low to Close dimension looks like? Or, a High to Close dimension? Or, who the hell came up with the idea of trading them as dimensions in the first place?"

Actually I read about that in a book wrote by Mandlebrot...Nothing new, a discretionary trader will outperform any system, calculations, code, etc...anyways.

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:28 am
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es/pip wrote:

Are you slightly retarded?

You've demonstrated yourself to be retarded, here. That's the difference. You've acknowledged that you don't even understand the underlying premise of what's being said, here. That makes you the biggest retard in this thread.

I seriously doubt you trade anything at all. Quite frankly, I doubt you even have a real account at all.

You are probable one of those Demo Experts - that knows everything about nothing, and nothing about most important.

I would suggest that you go to sleep. It is past your bedtime. Phrases like "momentum and shoulders," are a dead give-away that you are CLUELESS.

"Momentum and Shoulders." LO freaking L!

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:29 am
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pp2 wrote:

christ! ... world war three Sad

Nuclear, in fact.

PebbleTrader - Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:30 am
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"It only becomes an excellent idea when you realize what price has to do and WHY it has to do it."

Price doesn't have to do anything. I'm glad I don't trade a "system" based on price HAVING to do something.

PebbleTrader - Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:35 am
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I think you should take a break from trading and figure out your life.

It's not healthy to be so miserable, angry, mean, lonely, etc.

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:42 am
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PebbleTrader wrote:

According to what theory? Because, you don't have empirical evidence to support that claim - if you did, I would have already read that book, had it existed.

Discretionary trading = Variable Human Error. That's different from Encoded Human Error, which is what you get from systems.

But, most importantly - you've done what everybody else in here as done. You've failed to read in context. It has been repeated now several times - in fact the very opening line in the very first post in this thread tells you clear - The System That Trumps All Systems is in fact, no system at all.

I then went on to tell the reader that this was not a system, rather a methodology for trading.

But, all that begs the point anyway, because it does not matter what you call it, any set of rules for determining entry and exit, equates to a system of trading.

The system is not in the amount of protocol, but in the existence of protocol itself. So-called discretion is nothing more than one or more real-time Dynamic Variables within that system. The decision for entry and exit requires trade logic, regardless of whether your entry is executed with software, or through your mouse. The decision tree is either encoded in software, or encoded in your brain - either way, you DO trade a system, like it or not.

MQL, C+, C#, Visual Basic, Excel, VTS, EL, or your brain and a mouse... it is all driven by protocol and decision logic. The essence of a system.

The only question is: Who has the more flexible variables.

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:43 am
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PebbleTrader wrote:

That's the reason why you trade Retail, still.

PebbleTrader - Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:45 am
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"The System That Trumps All Systems is in fact, no system at all.

I then went on to tell the reader that this was not a system, rather a methodology for trading. "

I agree with that Smile

Horizontal - Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:47 am
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PebbleTrader wrote:

I think you should take a break from trading and figure out your life.

It's not healthy to be so miserable, angry, mean, lonely, etc.

Actually, calling a spade a spade, is rather refreshing every once in a while. Quite healthy, in fact.

What you fail to realize is what you fail to get. And, what you fail to get, is what you simply don't understand. And, you simply don't understand it, because you've been snowed under.

Where were you exactly 12 years ago? What were you doing, 12 years ago?

That, is what you don't understand.

PebbleTrader - Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:50 am
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The Mandlebrot book shows pretty much exactly what your TSD's are or what was shown in the SignalBender thread, by taking basic OHLC data and taking differences between then.

It does work, you could build out several different indi's like that and let it give you an idea of what's going on in terms of netting the most opportunity, but I wouldn't run it as an EA, I'd still make the go / no go decisions.

PebbleTrader - Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:53 am
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I have tried to read some of your stuff in the past, mainly because I do stuff in Excel that I have not seen anyone else do, except for you, but I felt like you were making things more complicated than they needed to be.

PebbleTrader - Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:57 am
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The whole purpose of getting the data into Excel is so that you can visualize the data in a different way.

bredin - Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:09 am
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Dude you still dont see it.

no one cares about your method per se.

no one here wanted to get into business with YOU.

At this point If you gave everybody a million dollars up front I doubt theyd get into business with you. Its simply not going to be worth the grief. for myself, I couldnt pay you the abject abesiance that you would demand on an daily (if not hourly) basis.

You go on about how I trade being all wrong...... please explain to the folks here how I do trade?? chuck up a rough markup of the thrashing Ive given AU this month... Why what I do is all wrong, exactly how buyzones and rats fit into my trading. Show me how your magic system would have left my efforts this month so far behind that I actually do have to pay you homage at every turn...

I know you'll blow this off as some kind of.... well... reflection of you really... and not actually show me the error of my ways.

G. (btw, did you see how long it took me to peg your forum persona, sneaking back in under yet another name, still wanting someone to code your shit for free, sight unseen)

PebbleTrader - Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:06 am
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So this is what you want the EA for?

"Everybody is out trying to build the next great directional indicator. That's the point - you don't need one. All you need is a horizontal line and a good idea of where Momentum is most likely to re-enter the market (that's your Volatility Trigger). Simply draw a horizontal line on your chart and start the Swap Sequence around that line. Never allow price to cross that line without swapping positions.

The better you are at the Swap Sequence, the better you net returns will be for the day. Optimize the location for the line and profits will soar.

It is not about the "indicator." Its about the carry-through Momentum and precise Swapping. The rest is embarrassingly simple, effortless and easy."

"At some point, I asked myself - "why does price go there?" Then I asked myself probably the most important question of all which was: "Who really cares, as long as price gets somewhere?"

"Then I followed the target line backwards to the point at which price began to move off of a major swing. I then "drew a line" on the chart and noted price action. That's when I knew that price direction made no difference to trade success, whatsoever. I became a Swapper ever since."

bredin - Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:11 pm
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Im wondering why hes here at all (apart from an ego fix)... last time he came with 'the only system you'll ever need, watch how much money I make' and now hes back with a new 'only system you'll ever need, watch how much money I make'

On this track record he'll be back here in another few months with a new 'only system you'll ever need' looking for another sucker... er coder, will abuse anyone who dares question his proclamations of deity-hood, and vanish again into the ether...

G.

PebbleTrader - Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:56 pm
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He is here because he wants someone to code "Swap Sequence" from what I can tell.

StealthTrader - Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:40 pm
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PebbleTrader wrote:

Mandlebrot, very well known by me, deals in two dimensional fractals and does not take either time or delta into consideration. His focus (at least in this narrow area) was on the two dimensional "structure" having been created by a mathematical boundary layer of sorts.

His ideas, were not the same as mine, but I did understand what his work in this area was all about. Mine, involves a composite three-dimensional structure up through version 5, of my original prototype. Beyond version 5 (to include 6, 7 and Cool

, I began implementing what I term a "Smoothed Dimensional Reference" or SDR to each TCD Trajectory.

This gave the TCD enhanced predictive quality and better MAE avoidance. Again, nothing having to do with what Mandelbrot's work was all about. But, that's not your fault. It only means that you were not part of any of my former online research groups. Had you been, then you would already know that the two are not the same concept.

Though one can fractal'ize my TCD structures, indeed. TCD itself is but the tip of the iceberg. It has been the Public Face of my works since 2000. There are dozens of other primary indicators within the overall system that were never revealed in public, and probably won't be until I finally decide to either accept the television offer to do a series on my trading and research, or until I decide to finally write that book that I've been contemplating for the last 5 years.

Still, it is nice to know that you have it in you, to read someone like Mandlebrot. It tells me that there indeed might be intelligent life on Planet of the Rats after all.

StealthTrader - Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:49 pm
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Bredin,

You are a novice retail trader at best and you really don't understand half of what you write - you most certainly don't know or understand me. Most importantly, you don't even understand how you got here in the first place. I could quite possibly write a book with what you don't yet understand about trading. So, save the feigned nonchalant reveal for another time - like when you actually arrive in this business, just maybe.

A Top Fuel dragster racing team, not interested in putting more power to the ground and reducing aerodynamic drag by increasing aerodynamic efficiency, is like a high-performance trader, disinterested in increasing MFE and indifferent about reducing MAE.

In other words, you can fool some of the people some of the time; and you can fool all of the people some of the time; but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.

StealthTrader - Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:00 pm
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PebbleTrader wrote:

That would imply that you knew what was intended from the beginning. If you don't know the end from the beginning, then you can't know whether or not what's required to reach the end, is necessary or not. Logically speaking, of course.

That would be like saying our 1960's space program was overly complicated, based on what we knew in the 1960's, having never reached the moon - let alone having a plan for returning back to earth.

That's Directional trading and to do it correctly (at a high level of accuracy), the synthesis of predictive algorithms is essential for the creation of fluent decision support system. Absent that, and you are doing nothing more than guessing - like the blind Rat does unwaveringly.

For Synthetic Non-Directional trading, absolute none of that which is required for a predictive model is necessary. The only three requirements for SND trading are a full understanding of Magnitude, Momentum and Swing probability. However, (and this is the irony) to gain a full understanding, one will have to do just almost just as much research as it takes to find good reliable predictive algorithms.

So, either way, you are going to work you butt off before you leave Retail and join the ranks of the Institutional traders.

StealthTrader - Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:08 pm
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PebbleTrader wrote:

The whole purpose of getting the data into Excel is so that you can visualize the data in a different way.

That might be one of many reasons to use Excel. You'd be surprised at where you find Excel being used (NASA, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon, Embraer, Lear, etc.)

To prototype calculation intensive processes, is another reason to use Excel. To have instant free control of calculations and algorithmic logic, without having to constantly "recompile code" - is yet another good reason to use Excel. And, in some cases (like with MQL), the flexibility of controlling the data is far more easily done in Excel and there are plenty of examples to prove that.

So, there are plenty of other good reasons why one uses Excel as a prototype platform for development of math and logic driven functions/systems.

es/pip - Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:16 pm
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Good luck with that TV offer there Nancy.

Total and complete garbage.

All of it.

bredin - Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:52 am
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ST, horizontal, whatever...

I know (from the evidence before me) that you are aggressive, abrasive and show complete condescension to everyone who doesnt immediately bow down before you... you show sociopathic behaviors, megalomania and narcissism.

It is clear that you have no empathy, a prerequisite for psychopathy, and resort to personal abuse of anyone who disagrees with you or uses differing methodology, a sure sign of low self worth and almost certainly shows a lack of logical arguments. The technical jargon (much of it self generated) is just elitism, probably from a desire to try to make everyone feel inferior to the dazzling intellect before them.

You see, it is YOU that puts everyone off you....

So I'll ask you here what I asked you on another forum:
Why dont you just hire a coder with the massive profits youve already made instead of trying to sucker the guys here?

G. (edited for spelling)

MightyOne - Thu Nov 24, 2011 3:54 am
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I almost died laughing at the bar when I read ES\PIP's posts.

A few of the guys on this forum are extremely gifted people who make more in a week, percentage wise at least, than many people make in a year.

Some of those people are posting on this thread...

You will find no kids in this room pal.

es/pip - Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:53 am
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MightyOne wrote:

hahahahahahah

glad someone thought it was funny, i re-read most of what i wrote and i actually laughed at myself a few times.

Like i have said before, i fcuking love GURUS, and you can always tell who they are by the way they try and talk by hinting and referencing with out saying.

love it

I have never met a "GURU" that actually made any money trading though.

Who knows, maybe stealth trader is the first one ever.

Or maybe this.

The funniest part of the entire exchange was when he said that me talking about momentum and shoulders proves that i do not know anything about trading, yet he then tried to take credit for actually creating these things.............. WHILE!!!!!!!!!!!!! posting screen-shots of $1 pip trades.

I almost snorted some whiskey on that one.

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hope you are doing well MO.

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Momentum.................is momentum

shoulders are shoulders

vega..................... who gives a shit

all the other shit he said.............dont care

There is one thing i am 100% sure of............. i would like to thank STEALTH TRADER!!!!! for creating all of these things, because without him i would probably be traveling around the country designing blueprints for Taco Bell.

Had he not created shoulders i would have been unable to catch this trade today. ( chart) ( ED reference below)

Once they ban your Stealth trader handle, I think you should come back with this username........... "Erectile Dysfunction".

This is probably the stupidest thread i have ever taken part in.......EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, although it does rank close to the one where that guy was trying to shovel a MA crossover system.

Hope everyone ( except for ED !!!!!!!!!) has a good Thanksgiving.

es/pip - Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:04 am
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I mean lets think about this for a second.

Seriously.

" I created momentum."

here is a screenshot of my trades .....insert $1 per pip lots..........

momentum = vega x the square root of the bi-decimal partition of the cube / x squared ( - a clown) x 3 hookers / a rate zone + a buy zone / this + that .......................

hahahaha

i think this may be too much fun for me

and to take the smartest guy on the entire planet, and then direct him away from his thread, pulling him into my questions about ice cream, milk and burritos.

well..........

i think ED!!!!!!!!!!! needs a new mirror to gaze in.

let me know EDDY!!!!!!, and i will send you one of the mirrors i look into each morning.

Trust me, you would much rather look into my mirror than your mirror.

PebbleTrader - Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:02 am
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"That might be one of many reasons to use Excel. You'd be surprised at where you find Excel being used (NASA, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon, Embraer, Lear, etc.)

To prototype calculation intensive processes, is another reason to use Excel. To have instant free control of calculations and algorithmic logic, without having to constantly "recompile code" - is yet another good reason to use Excel. And, in some cases (like with MQL), the flexibility of controlling the data is far more easily done in Excel and there are plenty of examples to prove that.

So, there are plenty of other good reasons why one uses Excel as a prototype platform for development of math and logic driven functions/systems."

"That's Directional trading and to do it correctly (at a high level of accuracy), the synthesis of predictive algorithms is essential for the creation of fluent decision support system. Absent that, and you are doing nothing more than guessing - like the blind Rat does unwaveringly."

Excel is one of the better tools because it allows you to look at a lot of data (depending on how much you might have to use a external database, but for me personally, I'm never looking at much data), allows for custom programming, data visualization and graphical user interface. All of that in an environment where you can build whatever you desire in a fairly quick way.

I do not do any algos or anything predictive. Trading will always be about guessing for me. I'm not saying that it can't be done. I am saying that it would take too much of my time and life energy to try to figure out how to predict the market and personally I feel like you can not predict massive human psychology before it happens. In other words, it is a lot easier and simpler to just trade guessing. Freeing up my time and life energy is much more important than making billions of dollars in the market. Any time and life energy I spend in the market making more money than I need to live a pretty simplistic life is wasted precious time and life energy.

I have looked at doing calcs on OHLC data. It does produces results, but they are not predictive and they don't show me anything I could not see by looking at a price chart showing OHLC. It may make something stand out more. It can also be used in combination with other calcs to help you see what is going on without having a bunch of charts open on many screens.

I use Excel to see the data in a different way, data visualization. It is not so much that I can see what others can not, but that there may be a more efficient way to view the same data.

Excel is not the best tool for this but is the most flexible and allows you the ability to also get a data feed.

I do think you should consider working on your social / mental skills/beliefs. I'm not saying this to be mean or anything like that, but more to be helpful. I think you should seriously question some of your belief systems and see if there might be a better way to view yourself and others. I think if you did that it would have a very positive affect on your life in general.

I would say that some of the more successful people I know are some of the most humble, non-egotistical, they rarely talk about their success, and purposely wish to stay under the radar, and really care not what others think of them.

LittleKnown - Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:36 pm
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Wow MO and es speaketh lol, think you better do one Perpendicular.

Must admit as a not so newb when I read you over on T2W as a newb I was impressed maybe tricked by the complexity of your posts and as my ID has always been LittleKnown I may have been easily lead astray.

You have been abusive and rude and seem very condescending and like Bredin said elitist.

What I started thinking when you posted all this recent verbal is why would someone so well off be wasting their time on forums looking for coders, seems nuts right...

Anyway I have come to the conclusion that you are mental and having read a lot of what you have posted over the years I think I have given enough of my time to reading yo $h1t, maybe there is something in it but the amount of time it would take to solve the puzzle if there is a solution lol would be staggering, so anyone new please do not waste your time reading through all signal bender trader number 7 stealth trader buggati whatever as you will be wasting your life...

Relativity - Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:55 pm
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LittleKnown wrote:

Here's where I take a pinch of salt. I will say generally he is correct about many things, but over-exaggerating the amount of research / hard work needed. Which eventually made what he did right initially, start to go very wrong.

How sad is that!

LittleKnown - Thu Nov 24, 2011 2:11 pm
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Yes Rel he/she is correct a lot of the time me thinks but my god what a pain in the neck lol, seen that list of trades posted on T2W before event which was bang on so obviously knows what doing but again what a pain in the neck

Relativity - Thu Nov 24, 2011 2:17 pm
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@ LittleKnown; Sometimes I don't think he/she. I think 'it'. LOL. Like how Bredin said earlier, lack of empathy as a person.

StealthTrader - Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:49 pm
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es/pip wrote:

Total and complete garbage.

All of it.

Pretty much spells out how you trade, no doubt.

When either of you get the courage to put your money where you mouth is and pony-up the $10 mil to accept the challenge, then we can get our respective attorney's involved on both sides for protection and we can begin the process of eliminating the phony traders in the room.

You out trade me - you get to keep what you net on your trades, plus an extra $10 mil from me. But, rest assured that won't happen and that you will be leaving the competition with less than the $10 mil you brought to it. Of that fact, you can be 93.12% (accuracy rating as of: Nov 24, 2011) certain.

Until then, your babbling and flapping your lips in the wind, my dear friend.

In fact, this does not have to be a private affair. No, not at all. You see, I've had a long phone conversation with one of the Producers of Wall Street Warriors and we talked about having me on Wall Street Warriors III. They have not yet been able to move beyond the initial WSW III trailer for other reasons.

However, they know me and they have seen my work product (statements). I mentioned the possibility of doing trading competition as part of the show - something to toss in a little more flavor for the viewing audience. They loved the idea because it sounded more like "reality television" and they thought something like that would increase viewership.

If they can find a way to get beyond the problem of securing a carrier for the show, then I'm going to have them contact Kreslik and put out challenge response. You can put your money where you mouth is then.

Deal?

I told you that I could write a book with what you guys don't yet understand. Wink

StealthTrader - Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:58 pm
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bredin wrote:

The problem is that novices like you don't know Jack, and you have an abundance of intellectual dishonesty. You lie in full plain view, as if the reader is stupid, which means that you fit the typical Internet Trading Community Profile, of one who is clueless.

You fail to read and you fail to read in context. The sociopathic behavior comes from people just like you, who will read a benign post that someone makes, see the following insulting posts that follow from idiots, and then turn right around and claim that the one who made the initial benign post, is narcissistic for having done so.

That is the height of stupidity and intellectual dishonesty - not to mention, unbridled uselessness. Get your facts straight and get your head out of your rear-end. When somebody responds in like-kind, that's called responding not initiating. Maybe you need to look up a Websters Dictionary to learn the differential between the two.

StealthTrader - Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:06 pm
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MightyOne wrote:

Anybody here netting between 1-2 mil per week? Or, on a bad week, netting 200-700k?

If so, then accepting the challenge should be a walk in the park, Kazansky.

The part that makes me laugh, is when you put this kind of challenge out to those who attack without cause, and they tuck tail and run just as fast as they can. That's the part that I find rather amusing.

If you think the challenge is not real - then simply accept it - get your attorney involved with my attorney - set up escrow and let's get the show on the road.

Otherwise, your laughter is but a faint reminder of your weakness, here (more than likely). Wink

es/pip - Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:15 pm
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Waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy too long of a response

Not reading it

Happy Thanksgiving ED!!!!!!!

Hahahaahaahh.

StealthTrader - Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:54 pm
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PebbleTrader wrote:

I do not do any algos or anything predictive. Trading will always be about guessing for me. I'm not saying that it can't be done.

It depends on your research and what you discover about the patterns in the data. If you haven't done the research, and you haven't discovered the patterns, then it will always seem like an impossible task. Once you locate repeatable patterns, those patterns begin to reveal interior patterns that would have been unseen before. So, the discovery of one pattern, typically leads to another, and another, and another, etc...

Juts like the old Revlon commercials. "And they tell two friends, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on..."

Patterns in the markets are everywhere. Good repeatable patterns that you can count on in the clutch, are not easy to find - but they are there.

PebbleTrader wrote:

In other words, it is a lot easier and simpler to just trade guessing.

Guessing during moments and periods of market compression and consolidation will end your trading day rather quickly. That's blind guessing and I do not condone such an approach.

However, finding creative ways to locate high probability continuance of magnitude and momentum, can make trading in cycles, just as profitable as trading predictive trajectories in the market (since trends are a legendary urban myth).

Guessing about Direction is one thing - you'll never achieve a non-linear growth wealth building model like that. Guessing about magnitude is fatal. In other words, the Non-Directional trader had better know something about how to predict the continuance of magnitude/momentum. Without it, that trader is dead in the water - sooner, or later.

PebbleTrader wrote:

Freeing up my time and life energy is much more important than making billions of dollars in the market. Any time and life energy I spend in the market making more money than I need to live a pretty simplistic life is wasted precious time and life energy.

Some people need billions, some don't. Those that don't typically won't understand those that do. Other people have no more motivation in life that goes beyond their own selfish self-interests. While other people in life, have no desire to do anything other than roll out of bed in the morning, if that much. Some people are lazy, slothful, unambitious and without direction in their lives. While other people are out there trying to figure ways to improve life on this planet for the majority.

A billion dollars? That's a drop in the bucket for what's really necessary to meet the challenges ahead for certain people. Some people out there have really big plans and designs to actually make them a reality.

Others - just dream without doing what's required to make those dreams a reality.

PebbleTrader wrote:

I have looked at doing calcs on OHLC data. It does produces results, but they are not predictive and they don't show me anything I could not see by looking at a price chart showing OHLC. It may make something stand out more. It can also be used in combination with other calcs to help you see what is going on without having a bunch of charts open on many screens.

It depends on what calcs on OHLC are used. I can bring a knife to a gun fight, but the probability of me winning is fairly low, LOL! (funny).

It all goes back to creative thought and locating repeatable patterns that can be relied upon in the clutch. And the clutch, is whenever you enter the market. Failure to discover those patterns will lead to the error of thinking that predictive analysis in the financial markets won't work. In fact, get the patterns right, and you should be able to see predictive results to a specified target to a minimum of 93%, with some rather large bubbles of accuracy all the way up to 100% for short periods of time.

Hey, nothings 100% perfect all the time, sorry. I have not found that magic pill yet. But, I still think it is doable on some level and with some combination of Directional and Non-Directional models.

Finding the proper link between the two: Priceless.

PebbleTrader wrote:

I do think you should consider working on your social / mental skills/beliefs. I'm not saying this to be mean or anything like that, but more to be helpful. I think you should seriously question some of your belief systems and see if there might be a better way to view yourself and others. I think if you did that it would have a very positive affect on your life in general.

I think you should try being more intellectually honest. I'm not saying this to be mean or anything, but I think the social environment of online trading communities, tends to lead to Group Think, and Group Behavior, where people who might otherwise retain their intellectual honesty, end up losing it for all the wrong reasons.

Attempting to correct someone who initially provided no reason for correction, is a bit like walking in front of a PW-4000 at full throttle, getting sucked through the intake, shredded to death by the fan blades, spit out the other end of the turbine and then blaming the pilot for parking his Boeing 767 directly in front of your path.

That's silly, but hey - that's the exact same kind of mentality that I run into on trading forums all the time. Nothing new, here. Its the same old story: Naysayers with an attitude problem. Nothing more and certainly nothing less.

If you can read this thread from the start, point out exactly where I initiated an ounce of negativity, then I will retract what I just indicated about you. But, until then, you are no different than the others - other than the pseudo semblance of an outward expression of civility, that harbors no genuine [true] intent of its implied purpose.

PebbleTrader wrote:

I would say that some of the more successful people I know are some of the most humble, non-egotistical, they rarely talk about their success, and purposely wish to stay under the radar, and really care not what others think of them.

You'd be surprised (shocked) to find out who is and who was actually online in the trading community, attempting to discuss trading with knuckle heads and eventually got frustrated and left - never to return.

In fact, I just got off the phone last night with a trader who lives in the Silicone Valley, someone I had not had contact with for over 5 years, and he reminisced about how he used to "blow-up" at people who attempted to de-rail what he was trying to teach online to newbies. We met at a economic forum conference in San Francisco, years earlier.

Today, years later, we both run our own closed-end private fund (moving our own private capital) and doing quite well.

So, don't think for one moment that you've got the pulse of everyone who is successful in their selected profession. Some retort back an unnecessary attacks, and some don't. Its a personal preference and independent of their output as a professional XY or Z.

StealthTrader - Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:01 pm
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LittleKnown wrote:

...so anyone new please do not waste your time reading through all signal bender trader number 7 stealth trader buggati whatever as you will be wasting your life...

Especially, if driving a Bugatti Veyron 16.4, and running your own private trading firm is something you have an absolute disdain for - then no, don't read a single word.

Of course, there's always the hope that the blind Rat will overcome his conflicted reality, where he does not understand his Directional tendencies, while claiming (at the very same time) to be Non-Directional.

Which won't get you to the Firm, either. Wink

Hey, look - some just want to be able to buy an extra gallon of milk on Friday. Others, need to accomplish more with this business. The fact that people just like you have such disdain for that, speaks volumes about just how far you think you can go in this business.

StealthTrader - Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:13 pm
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When you start out by posting crap like this:

forexjake80 wrote:

Cut that sneaky fear of lost crap already! Post the strategy - if there is any - in the forum publicly, or get lost.

And, then you claim to be on the side civility, you are demonstrating more evidence of pathological behavior than you obviously know.

And, when you complain as that 'crap' gets tossed right back in your face, you display a massive amount of hypocrisy and arrogance.

And, when you can do it in full plain view of the written record, you show an enormous amount if stupidity and intellectual dishonesty.

You clowns can pretend all day long, but the record speaks for itself. You initiated all the negativity that you complain so much about. You couldn't be civil, because underneath your fake posterior, resides no genuine civility. So, you have absolutely no choice but to contradict yourselves with every post, subsequent to the very first post in this thread.

How pretentious is that!

And, what makes it even worse, is the fact that you STILL don't understand how the Rat came into existence.

Shameful, but fitting. The blind leading the tone deaf.

Re-mark-able.

StealthTrader - Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:23 pm
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Relativity wrote:

Still not able to read in context. Still intellectually dishonest. Still unable to see the forest for the trees. Still, on the other side of my trades, most likely. Wink

The sad part is that you don't even understand what you read, yet you have a comment about it.

Hilarious, really.

StealthTrader - Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:24 pm
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Happy Turkey Day!

Closing all positions, shutting down machine and getting ready for a big bird fiesta.

My work day is over - and not a bad net/net take for a big bird holiday.

I trust that your trading was equally as feathering! (lol)

bredin - Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:33 pm
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Wow...

I must must been right after all...

7 successive posts abusing/attacking people... not a sociopath, huh?

Take you 1mil a week, go away off hand hire a coder. hell hire an entire coding firm.

I am done feeding the sociopaths ego... 14 pages, mostly abuse by a guy with multiple usernames and no social graces.

G.

LittleKnown - Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:53 pm
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StealthTrader wrote:

LittleKnown wrote:

...so anyone new please do not waste your time reading through all signal bender trader number 7 stealth trader buggati whatever as you will be wasting your life...

Don't like Bugatti, way over top, waste of fuel.

Private trading firm maybe but need a degree first so one step at a time pops.

As long as it goat milk I am happy.

What disdain? It is your bloody attitude, if you are wealthy, were wealthy, on way to being wealthy then what the ef are you doing here with mere mortals like myself.

Come to what conclusions you like with your psychology 101 based on my forum posting, if the shoe was on the other foot you would be sectioned for your own safety(of course again based on your forum persona)

Anyway Happy Thanksgiving, enjoy the turkey, and when is the book? Smile

MightyOne - Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:01 am
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I do not feel the need to display my might to the likes of you.

I know who I am, and the people here know who I am by my desire to lift them up out of the mire where guys like you prey on the weak.

That you feel the need, as a successful person, to compare penis sizes is both comical and juvenile.

StealthTrader wrote:

MightyOne wrote:

Relativity - Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:12 am
Post subject:

MightyOne wrote:

StealthTrader wrote:

MightyOne wrote:

*giggles*

es/pip - Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:47 am
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StealthTrader wrote:

Happy Turkey Day!

"Closing all positions, shutting down machine and getting ready for a big bird fiesta."

What positions?

I must have missed where you said you had trades on.

How many pips for you on this feathery day Ed?

Humble - Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:03 am
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MightyOne wrote:

I do not feel the need to display my might to the likes of you.

Tell him which day you started shorting Gold, if that doesn't shut him up nothing will!

bredin - Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:15 am
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Hmmm from post #9 in this thread ST (nee horizontal) said "I was told (by a third party) that Kreslik was an "open minded" trading forum about Forex. Based on your collective responses thus far, that third party obviously lied - or did not know the true nature of the membership, here."

Given that ST is also signalbender from 18 months or so ago, something that is apparent from the remarkably similar claims (longevity, research etc) made by both posters, we can deduce that this person has been lying to us.

Deliberately.

I wonder what else about... NFL career, perhaps? Although steroid abuse certainly would explain the aggression.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaPWwyC6CDI

G.

PebbleTrader - Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:46 am
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"Patterns in the markets are everywhere. Good repeatable patterns that you can count on in the clutch, are not easy to find - but they are there."

I look for patterns, which do repeat, but never in the same way, which is why I never went too far down the road that you did.

"It depends on your research and what you discover about the patterns in the data. If you haven't done the research, and you haven't discovered the patterns, then it will always seem like an impossible task."

I'm not saying it couldn't be done, the impossible can always be found to be possible. I don't know how to teach a computer to think like me. The amount of code it would take boggles my mind compared to what I can determine on my own in less than a few minutes.

"Guessing during moments and periods of market compression and consolidation will end your trading day rather quickly. That's blind guessing and I do not condone such an approach. "

I will take fault for not being more specific here. I did not mean to imply that I am flipping a quarter, if it lands on heads, I'll buy, tails, I'll sell and hope for the best Laughing

I use the word "guess" because ultimately I do not know the outcome. You say high probability, I'll say based on recent past experience or makes sense from a statistical perspective. It's almost always some form of supply / demand or support / resistance.

"since trends are a legendary urban myth)"

Price reminds me of a drunk at the bar, ultimately they are trying to get to the bathroom but staggering this way and that way along the way.

"A billion dollars? That's a drop in the bucket for what's really necessary to meet the challenges ahead for certain people."

Nothing wrong with being an entrepreneur / venture capitalist. I agree, you can do a lot with even 1 million. My point was it's a waste of time to accumulate anything in excess of what you need to achieve your life goals. This is a personal opinion so we may agree to disagree.

"Others - just dream without doing what's required to make those dreams a reality. "

What is sad is a lot of people don't even dream Sad

"Failure to discover those patterns will lead to the error of thinking that predictive analysis in the financial markets won't work. In fact, get the patterns right, and you should be able to see predictive results to a specified target to a minimum of 93%, with some rather large bubbles of accuracy all the way up to 100% for short periods of time. "

I see what you are saying. I do not like the word "predict" / "predictive", but I understand how you are using it. By saying nothing works 100%, clarifies it. As for a high % winning method, 93-100%, that doesn't necessarily mean it is an incredible method. A method with a winning % of 70-80% could way outperform it.

"tends to lead to Group Think, and Group Behavior, where people who might otherwise retain their intellectual honesty, end up losing it for all the wrong reasons."

The majority of the content I have posted is about using mental skills and learning to think more creatively but I wouldn't expect you to know that since you don't read this site. I am here to learn, and there are good traders here to learn from, most of them you have insulted and based on what I read in you non-directional trading thread their methods are not all that indifferent from your own, (it is foolish for me to think I know all about trading), it is a constant learning process, I would like to find some traders to collaborate with, and I try to help out and give back when I can. Nobody gets to the top completely on their own.

The traits I listed of successful people does not mean that all of them have them, it's just I would say more of them have them than not and it's those traits that I personally respect more.

"You initiated all the negativity that you complain so much about."

Did you start this thread with negativity, no kreslik members did, but that is because they quickly figured out that you were the same person as SignalBender and I don't blame them based on what I have read from the past.

paweldobkowski - Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:47 pm
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@StealthTrader

Wow,
You own a Bugatti 16.4?
That's something man.

Oh, by the way. I netted 7 mil last week.
Don't belive me? Just get Your attorney involved with my attorney.

But seriously, look at yourself man. Keep looking for programers on internet forums billionaire. Don't forget to create some more nicknames and start speaking Latin to sound more eloquent.

And this in psychology:

Quote:

is called "projecting".

Jalarupa - Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:29 pm
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I'm experiencing the MADDEST Deja Vu here...

[edit] guess who's the cock...?

PebbleTrader - Sun Dec 04, 2011 1:20 pm
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Friends,

It is far more powerful to reply back with intelligence to an insult than to give in to an attack back. Let's be the better traders here.

We are here to collaborate and discuss trading and collectively move ourselves farther than could be possible with just a single mind. Let's keep the discussions moving us all in that direction Smile

What I know is that someone who has truly mastered trading shows it in their every word, action, etc. Let's leave it at that.

poipen - Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:41 pm
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I thought this would be funny to add; this guy has been at it for a while holy hell.

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=260475

TygerKrane - Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:59 am
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PebbleTrader wrote:

What I know is that someone who has truly mastered trading shows it in their every word, action, etc. Let's leave it at that.

I agree with PebbleTrader on this and note that regardless what StealthTrader said, PebbleTrader always addressed him back respectfully.

If only this time around he could've finally had a thread here that developed like the one over here: http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=321847

Looks like if we want to get a positive, constructive exchange of ideas with him, we should get different screennames and talk to him over there...
There is little to no condescending tone of voice over there.

StealthTrader - Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:04 am
Post subject:

paweldobkowski wrote:

@StealthTrader

Wow,
You own a Bugatti 16.4?

Yes. Registered in La Jolla, California, but housed in Ranch Santa Fe, California. But, that's nothing new. I also own (1) L-39ZA and (1) Unlimited Class Zivko Edge 540. I have in the pipeline: (1) Phenom 300 and (1) Pagani Huayra. The jury is still out on the Eurocopter EC135 (basically, I don't have room for it in the hanger). I'd love to purchase a post 2005/2006 Ferrari F1 Racer as a weekend track car, but I need to get up to speed on how to maintain it (who to hire as the wrench, etc.).

These are simply toys, paweldobkowski. With the exception of the LJ (Phenom 300), as that will be used for mostly [future] business.

paweldobkowski wrote:

Oh, by the way. I netted 7 mil last week.
Don't belive me? Just get Your attorney involved with my attorney.

Anytime you wish to arrange it - send an email to: CollaborativeFx@mail.com. Please provide the name and contact number of your attorney. Both attorneys will know how to handle the arrangements from that point forward, leaving both of us time to prepare for the competition.

paweldobkowski wrote:

But seriously, look at yourself man. Keep looking for programers on internet forums billionaire. Don't forget to create some more nicknames and start speaking Latin to sound more eloquent.

What you don't know about what I'm actually doing is staggering, but I'll allow you to continue down the blind path you have selected for yourself on this point. Or, put another way: You see exactly what you are supposed to see in this area.

paweldobkowski wrote:

is called "projecting".

It's call Predictive.

When you get to a point where you can see past the illogical and irrational cloud of Buy and Sell zone (Leading Long and Leading Short Trajectories, developed more than 10 years ago, LOL!) come visit me over at: CollaborativeFx.forumer.com and start posting something of real value that Novice Traders can actually learn something about.

Of course, this assumes you fit the profile of a highly Experienced Trader, as defined by the Collaborative. Wink

StealthTrader - Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:21 am
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TygerKrane wrote:

Looks like if we want to get a positive, constructive exchange of ideas with him, we should get different screennames and talk to him over there...
There is little to no condescending tone of voice over there.

That won't be necessary. I don't post on FF anymore and the only reason I dropped by here, was to respond to a few posts that I did not get the opportunity to respond to before I created CollaborativeFx.forumer.com.

Anywhere you find a Commercial Forex WebSite, geared towards novice retail Traders that don't know much about trading in general, you will most likely find "condescending" tonality as a direct result of the commercial interest trying to protect its profits - regardless of how those profits take form.

So, just because you don't swim in an ocean of trading related banner ADs, does not mean that you will be free from "condescending" tone, if and when you point out the glaring flaws in the underlying premise behind the site.

At the CollaborativeFx, you won't see that level of commercialism because no one is trying to sell you anything. There is nothing for sale in any form, whatsoever. The site is brand new - I created the day before Christmas. Since I have no intention of mass marketing the site, you won't find very many posts in the Public Domain. I created the site to house the Private side of the MT4 collaboration effort and only at the last minute decided to add a Public Domain for those who want to escape the commercializing of Forex and discuss trading in a civil environment.

I should have done this YEARS ago, but my focus on was on becoming a successful Trader back then. Now, that I am - I can indulge in a few discretionary items - as long as they don't tie up too much of my time.

The CollaborativeFx is going through a transition phase right now, as I move from MT4 back to Excel through FxDialogue, so that I can gain full control over the developmental process. Besides, MQL has too many limitations that run against the expansion of the prototype system and only a genuine OOP environment can bring the prototype to a full blown 32bit Windows framework.

Until then, FxDialogue provides an open framework for customizing and automating just about anything I can imagine. And, as Einstein, himself once said: "Imagination is everything."

Civil is as civil does. Do civil and get civil in return. Wink

StealthTrader - Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:41 am
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MightyOne wrote:

The very fact that you have misunderstood and taken out of context, just about everything I have posted, speaks volumes in and of itself. That notwithstanding, you have said in another thread that you have moved $2,000 to tens of thousands of dollars (not providing a timeline for how long it took) and that accomplishing such a feat, makes you "mighty" (my emphasis added).

I'd like to congratulate you on your Mightiness and raise you a Mighty Challenge:

Public Trade-Off Competition
Total Purse= $20,000,000.00
Total Possible Net Winnings = $10,000,000.00 (Winner Take All)
Single Account Escrow (arranged by our attorneys)
30 Day Time Frame
Highest Net Revenue (Not ROI) Wins
Media Involvement Stipulated Up-Front

I'm sure that in the day of "reality television" that finding someone in the media to pick this up and run with it, can't be all that hard. I'll work the phones to try to make it happen. Something like this needs to be televised, as I feel that it will help to solidify in the minds of Newbies all across America, that they cannot simply buy their way to consistent trading and consistent profitability, that in fact they can only get through through hard work, determination and a talent for thinking outside of the box that everyone else uses confine themselves with.

I used to make this challenge at $5M, but hey - inflation is a mighty foe at times. Wink

Besides, the Federal Reserve has screwed us all and that sends the price of just about everything "up" - well, except the USD, of course. So, while I cannot single handily kill the Federal Reserve Bank, I'm confident that I can kill the notion that you are an Institutional grade Trader. Wink

StealthTrader - Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:47 am
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Humble wrote:

Tell him which day you started shorting Gold, if that doesn't shut him up nothing will!

Ask me when I started buying it, LOL!

Better yet, go dig up one of my old TurbineTrader Trade Journals, where I told people that the Federal Reserves move on U.S. rates would ultimately lead to a new EURUSD high and bring Gold back to a long awaited bullish track that would last for approximately "10 years."

If you can still find those old threads on DailyFx - they tried to shut me up too. FXCM does not like real traders on their platform - it costs them too much in lost revenues as a premiere bucket shop. So, no doubt they were not a fan of my trade journal back then.

Funny.

StealthTrader - Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:55 am
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Having scanned this thread in search of any replies that were posted before I created collaborativefx.forumer.com, I believe I have replied in like kind to those worth responding.

So much for the other side of the learning curve.

Addio.

MightyOne - Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:09 am
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[quote=StealthTrader] you have said in another thread that you have moved $2,000 to tens of thousands of dollars (not providing a timeline for how long it took) and that accomplishing such a feat, makes you "mighty" (my emphasis added).[/quote]

That was a decade ago, before the age of 20, as I said in the post...
did you, in ANY 2 year period, increase your account by over 2500%? I didn't think so.
The day a trader thanks your for your insights, none of which have been revealed thus far, is the day I consider you more than a babbling buffoon.

pp2 - Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:20 am
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StealthTrader wrote:

MightyOne wrote:

WOW

Not sure if I should respond. Do I laugh or cry?? Surprised

MightyOne - Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:26 am
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Probably laugh and cry at the same time PP2 because nobody gives a damn about this thread Smile

bredin - Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:35 am
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I cried... laughing Wink

Anyway here we go again... except this time its an old con trick.

You make a bet with someone (usually to a roomful of people), but set the stakes waaay higher than it looks like anyone can afford (10mil in this case) knowing that most cant come up with it, and those that can wont (since they have nothing to prove). Then claim superiority.

All you have to do is hope that no-one will call the bluff, and do something like ask a friend of theirs, who works in intelligence, to run a financial and background check... after all for 10mil, wouldnt you?

Anyway, all those of us who understand the value of congruity do is compare the claims of immense wealth with the public actions that always center around the word 'free'

I mean, seriously... a free forum hosting site...
Cant even afford a domain name, huh?

G.

iDouble - Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:00 pm
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bredin wrote:

I mean, seriously... a free forum hosting site...
Cant even afford a domain name, huh?

G.

I could afford to buy you.

Its called expediency. Why spend time building, managing and most importantly, maintaining an securing a full domain name and a website (no less), when you are a trader who has no such time on his hands and only needs a quick answer to the problem of not having a website. That's why such sites exist - for those that don't have the time, or the inclination to maintain a stand-alone domain. Of course, in all of your analysis, that concept never occurred to you.

Like I said, even the small things, still confuse you. Since I'm not engaged in trying to sell anything to anyone at any time, I don't care about maintaining a commercial site.

Traders trade. Sellers sell. The rest is bull.

paweldobkowski - Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:08 am
Post subject:

iDouble wrote:

bredin wrote:

I mean, seriously... a free forum hosting site...
Cant even afford a domain name, huh?

G.

Quit making new nicknames and excuses Wink

Show some skills

paweldobkowski - Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:55 am
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come on

iDouble - Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:42 pm
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paweldobkowski wrote:

come on

The only problem with it, is that there's a whole lot more to it. You don't have all the optimization algorithms that go along with it. And, without them, you'll constantly be asking for the skill that accompanies it.

Pay particular attention to the optimization algorithm on the white board in the video. Its an EA, within an EA, within an EA, within an EA, within an EA, etc. That's the way you optimize lower time frames. Any other approach than that and you are guessing.

There Are No Short Cuts.

iDouble - Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:02 pm
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paweldobkowski wrote:

Quit making new nicknames and excuses Wink

Show some skills

I'll show some new Methods instead. They are very handy little MQL tools that I cooked-up. This particular MQL Method enables what I call StealthSwaps. So, instead of merely being able to Swap around the Daily Open, with Methods like these little gems, I can now dyamically swap anywhere within any StealthIndicator level. That creates the ultimate stealth entry into the market.

Combined with a few other StealthIndicators, the final EA will be a rather potent non-directional approach to trading.

Imagine never having to worry about which direction you pull the trigger. Wink

That's StealthTrading.

FSR MQL Method Test.

MightyOne - Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:48 am
Post subject:

paweldobkowski wrote:

iDouble wrote:

bredin wrote:

I mean, seriously... a free forum hosting site...
Cant even afford a domain name, huh?

G.

Quit making new nicknames and excuses Wink

Show some skills

I reached for a "like" button but it was not there Crying or Very sad

flinux - Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:09 am
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lol

paweldobkowski - Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:37 pm
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iDonkey why would You post that?

Now we all know that it's bullshit

iDouble - Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:25 am
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paweldobkowski wrote:

Now we all know...

...Which is your biggest problem of all. You don't really know Jack, or the horse he road in on. I could write a book about trading with the things you have yet to learn, clearly. How do I know? Because you are here, trading like a Rat.

A good fan of trading, maybe. A consistent Trader? Hardly.

At what point do you stop pretending to know things you can't possibly know, 90km away from Pagani HQ? I don't give away the keys, you have to discover those on your own - just like I did.

I've done the EA on the RAT and saw the results, and I must say once again, you really don't know, Jack.

Not to despair. When I'm done, you'll get front row seats to the show, such that you can see how a real Bot should behave. Whether you actually learn anything from the experience is your hang-up.

The UFG that you know about pulls an 8-iron, when it should be pulling a 4-iron, and a 4-iron when it should be pulling an 8-iron. Figure out why and you will know precisely what Jack knows.

Until then - you don't know what clubs Jack carries in his bag. More importantly, you don't have Jack's ball-striking ability and that's because you have yet to go where Jack has already been.

Time to get back to the U.S. Open. Wink

That's a real horse race...

paweldobkowski - Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:40 am
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Jesus Christ iDonkey, i didn't know that you're that sensitive.

Sorry for saying that your toys are bullshit but i dont really care what they are because "you dont give away keys" therefore i reckon that you're a boaster only. Fake one actually.

I asked for skills not EA within an EA within an EA within an EA within an EA within an EA within an EA. What you posted here is a movie with dramatic music showing free strategy builder. So by now you stealth entered my ass which is by the way within my ass within my ass within my ass within my ass within my ass.

By the way you're so passionate about arguing i know who you are. You're a quite intelligent 15 - 16 year old kid looking for attention. Good job. I'm out.

iDouble - Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:57 am
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"I asked for skills not an EA within an EA...."
----------------------------

If I had a dime for every clueless individual who pretended to be a trader online, the Prince of Monaco would pale in comparison by riches.

"I asked for skills, not an EA..." Such statements go the the very heart of your lack of skills as a trader.

Did they not already tell you at in How To Trade 101, that if you don't already have skills, you can't possibly design consistent Bots? LOL, yet another "elite" trader, no doubt. Geepers....

Here's the final installment. I'm almost done with what will no doubt be a mind blowing experience for people such as yourself, who feign at trading - as opposed to actually doing it for a living. You have a tremendous amount to learn about this business. But, hey..... that's why you are here, at Kreslik - right? Right.

http://youtu.be/cTsQmSugBnM

"Got Algorithms?" Then you've got "skills," my dear clueless friend.

xtremeforex - Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:00 am
Post subject: Ok lets try this..

StealthTrader/IDouble/Horizontal,

I haven't posted in a year because I have been busy trading and perfecting my EA. I've decided to reply to this because it intrigued me.

You say that you can put up $10 million dollars for a trading competition. If you have that kind of money, why didn't you simply offer money to build an EA in the original post? Or hire a team of programmers? It doesn't make any sense. Somebody would easily take the offer. Coding custom strategies in EA's isn't as easy as you think.

We (coders) can't waste our time making EA's/Indicators for everybody who claims they have a winner when it is likely they are wasting our time with personal experimentation. I've had plenty of experience making EA's for free for the '"winners." Show us some money (evidence of your real success and respect for our time) and we will take you seriously.

I'm a skilled MT4 coder (expert level) and will do the task for $10,000 and it will be exactly the way you want it. Is that a deal?

I'm a successful trader in my own right. I'm just curious to see if you are willing to fork out a measly $10,000 (should be peanuts to you) on something that will automate/hands-free your strategy, free up your life so you can enjoy and make your multi-millions per week or 200-700k per week "in a bad week" - as you've claimed. If anything, my offer is a bargain in comparison.

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